That scene always struck me as somewhat problematic. I’d never considered the deeper implications of Donna falling victim to the fortune teller as soon as she leaves The Doctor’s side though. (I suppose that’s my white privilege showing)
It’s certainly another example of RTD’s failings when it comes to the representation of POC. I’m sorry it spoiled Rose’s return for you though. That really sucks.
she wouldn’t ever say again after travelling with him, meeting captain jack, and gaining a less queerphobic, speciest perspective. (“he’s blue!” “now, rose…” /”they’re cats!” “well think about what you look like to them!”
I see this line of reasoning a lot and that’s fine. If this is your headcanon and it makes it easier to watch the scene that’s great. The thing is, explaining it away like that doesn’t negate the problematic aspect of the line.
The issue isn’t just that Rose uses the word gay as a pejorative, it’s that The Doctor never calls her out on it and therefore it’s implied this an acceptable way to use the word gay. That’s the problem.
It’s perfectly possible to have a character say something problematic without the show itself being problematic. The key is the way other characters react and whether their reaction reinforces what’s being said. In this case The Doctor’s silence does reinforce the belief that it’s acceptable to use gay as an insult.
I completely understand the way you’re feeling. It can be difficult to admit that shows we love are problematic and it’s something a lot of people struggle with. The thing is, pretty much every TV show is going to be problematic to some extent because media reflects our societal norms and our culture.
The key thing to remember is that liking problematic media is not a reflection on who you are as a person. As long as you are still getting enjoyment out of a show there’s no need to reject it.
That being said, it’s important that you are willing to look critically at media and acknowledge the problematic aspects of shows you love. You must also not dismiss other people’s criticisms and understand that the point at which a show becomes so problematic that it’s unenjoyable is different for everyone.
I’m going to link to How to be a Fan of Problematic Things for anyone who hasn’t read it because it really is a great post.
Yeah. Adam’s manipulation of the team’s minds is treated more seriously that Owen’s date rape scene. That being said it’s not acknowledged that what happens to Tosh is rape, which is incredibly gross.
I was aware that RTD was quite dismissive of criticisms about Ianto’s death but I hadn’t heard that particular comment before.
Here’s a link, just scroll down to the end of the interview. The nine hysterical women quote is in the editors note.
TW: Rape, Date rape
Yeah, this was an incredibly gross moment. Rape should never be treated in the light-hearted way it was in this episode.
This did get me thinking about the way Torchwood reinforces the idea that rape only happens when a Bad, Evil Man jumps out of the shadows and rapes a woman in a dark alley. This is made all the more clear if we compare this scene, from the first episode, to the way the rape Owen witnesses a few episodes later is treated. It’s clear it’s only considered rape, in the eyes of the writers, if it’s violent and the victim is screaming no.
Maybe I’ll make a post about this - I mean, everyone asks me to talk about Torchwood so…
Honestly, I’m not entirely sure. A lot of them I have no problem with (if we’re just talking them with regards to consent and sexual assault). Take the Kiss between The Doctor and Reinette. Though it’s never explicitly said, it’s pretty clear from their body language that they’re both perfectly happy to be kissing each other.
I do, however, have an issue with how normalised it is that one person can just go and grab someone and lay one on them without at any point checking to see if they’re okay with it.
The kiss between Ten and Martha, for instance, I would’ve much preferred if The Doctor had explained to Martha that he was about to kiss her and checked if she was okay with that. Clearly the writers privileged the shock value of The Doctor kissing someone who isn’t Rose over Martha being able to have a say in what happened to her though.
I did see the Christmas Special and it was, unsurprisingly, a complete train wreck. Treating Vastra and Jenny’s relationship as a joke, the completely rubbish monsters, fridging Clara. The episode was incredibly disappointing.
The thing that has really stuck with me is the way Clara has been set up as this Great Mystery for The Doctor to solve. This is such a problematic set-up. Clara is human being! She should not be a fun puzzle who exists purely to get The Doctor out of his slump and having fun again.
On Saturday, Doctor Who returns, kicking off the second part of the seventh series with a James-Bond inspired episode that sees the Doctor and Clara whizzing round London on a motorbike. Which is exciting if you like interesting drama with witty banter and thoughtful concepts. But less exciting if you like interesting dramas that include women on their writing teams.
Because season seven of Doctor Who will feature no female scribes at all. Not in the bombastic dinosaurs and cowboys episodes that aired last year, and not in any of the new episodes we’re about to receive. In fact, Doctor Who hasn’t aired an episode written by a woman since 2008, 60 episodes ago. There hasn’t been a single female-penned episode in the Moffat era, and in all the time since the show was rebooted in 2005 only one, Helen Raynor, has ever written for the show."
That particular quote is problematic because RTD treats the N word as big joke, something he might be able to sneak into the episode undetected.
This is incredibly dismissive of the history of the slur and the way it’s still used today to subjugate and oppress black people today. Furthermore, as a white person, RTD has no place using this word - even in reference to something else. The only people who can reclaim a slur are those who’ve been oppressed by it.
So whilst yes, Agatha Christie did write a book called Ten Little N*****s, it’s use here is incredibly insensitive not to mention the fact that it’s completely irrelevant.